Curse

Made In Ascalon · Dec 15, 2007, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Subject-verb agreement is ftw.

Sorry for being distracted by a movie I'm watching; replace "is" with "are" and "encourages" with "encourage".

Irrelevant grammar whoring ftl.

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So is recognizing who you're talking to.

Not you?

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Anyways, I'll keep /notsigning this idea, 1. because it won't happen, 2. because I don't want it to happen

I care.

Lady Raenef · Dec 15, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by Isileth

It wouldnt go down. Assuming you do indeed have R10, all your chars would have R10.

They dont lose anything. Both chars would still have R10.

I do indeed have rank 10. And if you read the OP more closely, he or she also recommends increasing the cap. Which would mean, rank 10 would drop due to the requirements for rank 10 increasing, that or they increase the amount of how much. Titles need.

The other problem, is that nightfall characters need sunspear points or levels to advance. Now, with sunspear points being as high as they can be, they don't even need to wait that long. You can get done with the tutorial island at probably level 6 or less.

Isileth · Dec 15, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

I do indeed have rank 10. And if you read the OP more closely, he or she also recommends increasing the cap. Which would mean, rank 10 would drop due to the requirements for rank 10 increasing, that or they increase the amount of how much. Titles need.

Well over the 31 pages the original idea has had many changes suggested to it. Im supporting the change without an increase to the cap.

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

The other problem, is that nightfall characters need sunspear points or levels to advance. Now, with sunspear points being as high as they can be, they don't even need to wait that long. You can get done with the tutorial island at probably level 6 or less.

And how is that a problem? If they have that many sunspear points already they must have already completed it once. They can stay as long as they like, or leave as soon as they can.

You can't see me · Dec 15, 2007, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Subject-verb agreement is ftw.

So is recognizing who you're talking to.

Anyways, I'll keep /notsigning this idea, 1. because it won't happen, 2. because I don't want it to happen

I recognize who I'm talking to. Someone who ignores arguments and instead focuses on minor typos to divert the attention of readers from the fact that they have no supporting argument on their stand.

Oh, and you're reasons are great. Arenanet should really not implement a feature in the game because you don't want it to be implemented. Forgive me, I didn't realize you paid more for the game than any of the rest of us which makes your word any more valid than any of the rest of our own.

I'm sure I've seen avatars with the fail message implied. Go read one.

Grind has become farm too big of a part of the game, in my opinion, and in the opinion of many others. This is a game, as a lot of people forget, and not a job. The titles in this game shouldn't only be available to the people that have 50+ hours a week to accomplish them. Grind titles are repetitive, often have a much lower reward than what you work for them, and in general, waste a lot of your time when playing the game when you could be doing something that accomplishes more. However, to get certain armors, or advance in the storyline, you do it over and over.

I agree. Some should be account based.

/Signed.

bilateralrope · Dec 15, 2007, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

I do indeed have rank 10. And if you read the OP more closely, he or she also recommends increasing the cap. Which would mean, rank 10 would drop due to the requirements for rank 10 increasing, that or they increase the amount of how much. Titles need.

Would you support the idea if the titles remained with the same breakpoints between ranks ?

What about if the breakpoints changed, but not enough to lower your rank once the points get added up between characters ?

Given that there seems to be a significant number of players with only one or two characters I'm not sure if the breakpoint should be changed.

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The other problem, is that nightfall characters need sunspear points or levels to advance. Now, with sunspear points being as high as they can be, they don't even need to wait that long. You can get done with the tutorial island at probably level 6 or less.

So what exactly is the harm here ?

Lady Raenef · Dec 15, 2007, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

Would you support the idea if the titles remained with the same breakpoints between ranks ?

So what exactly is the harm here ?

The breakpoints remaining the same, I don't know. There has to be faulty balancing underlying this somewhere. I think it'd just make things too easy, in my honest opinion. If all of a sudden my dervish and assassin had the same titles my warrior had earned, it'd be far too easy. There'd be no motivation to beat or earn the titles to get things like armor, titles, or skills to a certain point.

I don't know, as much as you support the idea, and in some ways, it'd be beneficial, I find it just to be a lazy man's way out. As much as I like being lazy, I just think it'd rob players out of hard work and effort, and give other players too much for the little work they do. If that makes sense.

I'd like wisdom and treasure hunter, sweet tooth, drunkard however to be account titles. THAT makes sense! I don't see how it doesn't! Sunspear, lightbringer, EotN reputation, no, I can't see as account based.

About the low levels finishing tutorial island faster. You see how many complaints we got for level 10's going into gwen early? Yeah....more problems.

Vinraith · Dec 15, 2007, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by bilateralrope

- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom

/signed for these, they make sense as account based titles and are rather absurd in their current form IMO.

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- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn

/notsigned for these

Like it or not PvE skill linked titles are designed to be "character development beyond level 20" and thus should have to be managed by each character in the same way that levelling from 1 to 20 is. With the revamp of the book system the EotN titles are no longer remotely unreasonable. Sunspear's easy to get to 7 or 8 just by playing through NF, so no issue there either. LB needs a book system pretty badly, it's the last real grind title in the game.

Solus Spartan · Dec 15, 2007, 08:31 AM // 08:31

LB is easy to Max out.

/notsigned.

If you can't take the time to get the title, don't get it.

Sweet Tooth & Drunkard are money based, and have a reason to be character based, Pre searing. Sweeth Tooth/Drunkard in Pre sear are big achievements, please don't try and ruin it.

Isileth · Dec 15, 2007, 08:41 AM // 08:41

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Originally Posted by Solus Spartan

LB is easy to Max out.

No, no it isnt.

According to the wiki you can get a max of 3900 points per hour. For all 50,000 points thats over 12 hours.

12 hours of pure farming.

Now for those with more chars, even only 3 chars and its 36 hours. Players shouldnt have weaker chars because they dont want to spend that long farming in a game that advertises as skill>time.

If you take the lowest farm the wiki shows (324 points/hour), thats 154 hours. For one char.
So if you want to get it on more than one char you have to have a minimum of 12 hours per char. Its a lot more in reality because most people can only play an hour here and there.

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Originally Posted by Solus Spartan

Sweet Tooth & Drunkard are money based, and have a reason to be character based, Pre searing. Sweeth Tooth/Drunkard in Pre sear are big achievements, please don't try and ruin it.

If players want to spend months in pre sear they still can. No one would stop them.

bilateralrope · Dec 15, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by Solus Spartan

Sweet Tooth & Drunkard are money based, and have a reason to be character based, Pre searing. Sweeth Tooth/Drunkard in Pre sear are big achievements, please don't try and ruin it.

Yes, the pre searing sweet and drunk titles would be ruined with this. So give the pre-searing characters a character based title for them until they reach post.

Limu Tolkki · Dec 15, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

/signed

I cant see any point why players should grind for these titles more than once.

pamelf · Dec 15, 2007, 12:06 PM // 12:06

/signed......

Solas · Dec 15, 2007, 12:27 PM // 12:27

well after trying to get the eotn titles i have 3 words to say.... Boring and slow.

/signed ONLY FOR BENIFICTS BUT NO TITLE

as in the benificts (ie. +30% V demons) are account wide passive while the titles require the grind to attain.

so 1 char has title all chars on account get benifit but only main has title. so peole.

legion_rat · Dec 15, 2007, 12:40 PM // 12:40

/signed

I dont know about raising the ranks though, seems like thats just adding to the grind in my opinion. But I hate having to run around for weeks on end farming points with one char then have to do it again with the other 5 or so.
Good idea Rope.

~the rat~

~ Dan ~ · Dec 15, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by Made In Ascalon

HOLY CRAP
THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY GAME BREAKING AND IMBA

The character DIDN'T earn it. I earned it. Account based grind titles encourages this idea and is awesome, so stfu.

You grind Legendary Cartographer and Legendary Guardian on your main. You then start a new char, displaying those titles? That char now has every mission mastered on both NM and HM, plus 3 100% revealed maps at lvl1!!! Do you see it making sense now? Do you think that's fair? I'll answer it for you: No.

Account based grind titles encourages this idea but is shit, so stfu.

arcanemacabre · Dec 15, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

You grind Legendary Cartographer and Legendary Guardian on your main. You then start a new char, displaying those titles? That char now has every mission mastered on both NM and HM, plus 3 100% revealed maps at lvl1!!! Do you see it making sense now? Do you think that's fair? I'll answer it for you: No.

Account based grind titles encourages this idea but is shit, so stfu.

Umm, this thread is on making grind titles account based. The distinction was made that titles like the two you mentioned are not grind titles. So, maybe edit and try again?

MithranArkanere · Dec 15, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

Maybe there could be two panels for titles.

One account, and other character based.

Charactes in pre-Searing would not have access to the Account-wide panel. So they won't be able to show friend of the kurzicks and so.

Then other characters out of pre-Searing wound have the titles of the characters, and the maximm titles of the account in the account wide.

So people would be able to go for drunkard in all characters, and show the maximm drunkard in all characters.

And the calculations for the KoaB deal would count only single+really acount based.

Account-wie titles would be in both panels.
Characters based would be in the character panel.
And the maximum titles of the account would be in the character panel.

Then you use different colors for titles selected in the acoRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO and titles selected in the character...

And...

T-T too complex...

Master Knightfall · Dec 15, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Here's the way I would /sign this and only this way. Sure they ALL can be account based as long as it takes 10x longer to grind the title out. <grin>

Croco Clouds · Dec 15, 2007, 05:43 PM // 17:43

/signed, i want to see pre-searing drunkard get pissed and yell to the sky

Limu Tolkki · Dec 15, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

You grind Legendary Cartographer and Legendary Guardian on your main. You then start a new char, displaying those titles? That char now has every mission mastered on both NM and HM, plus 3 100% revealed maps at lvl1!!! Do you see it making sense now? Do you think that's fair? I'll answer it for you: No.

Account based grind titles encourages this idea but is shit, so stfu.

I cant see no point why someone would cartograph same areas more than once, or take grind titles for many chars. I think that every title should be account wide, but you would not get befits from cartocrapher or protector titles but you would have title however.